Kink.com, the company Everyone Loves to Hate

Everyone loves to hate Kink.com. It seems that blogger after blogger is always looking for something to point out, some flaw, some platform by which to further their own causes. This type of nit-picking is nothing new. Many big companies get picked on constantly. I read an article recently regarding iHate (that is, hatred of Apple). There are a few things in that article that the author mentioned that really reminded me of the sort of hatred I see focused on Kink.com.

“So where does the hate really come from? Ultimately, it comes from love.

Love and hate are not opposites. The opposite of love and hate is indifference.”

Cult of Mac

A lot of people love Kink.com. It is nearly impossible to meet someone in the Bay Area BDSM scene that has not had some connection to this company (even if the connection is simply attending the events at the Armory). Considering the notoriety and popularity of this company, it should come as no surprise that a lot of people hate them too.

The most recent hatred has come from a few very vocal models upset about a change in the payout system of the live chat site, Kink Live, that is run through Kink.com. Their opposition has been so pronounced, they have received a lot of support from the local community and the media.

The opposition to this issue is however, simply a viewpoint held by a few. There are others, all with their own opinions on this matter whose voices have not been heard, but whose livelihoods are being affected by this opposition. Maxine Holloway posted a letter sent to Peter Acworth and other Kink.com executives. Her tumblr post is the most prominent voice of the opposition so it is the blog I will be discussing.

I am a huge fan of numbers. Math does not lie! So I will begin my analysis of Holloway’s blog post, and express my opinions (yes these are my opinions) by first beginning with numbers.

New vs Old Payout Systems
Under the old payout system (that is still currently in place due to the vocal complaints of a few models), any Kink Live model was paid $150 for shows grossing under $500 and 30% of the total revenue for shows grossing over $500. As an additional incentive, 40% of the total revenue was offered for any show grossing over $750.

The $150 is called the minimum by all Kink Live employees.

Example 1:
Under the old payout system, a show grossing $100 and a grossing $500 earns a model the same amount of pay.

The proposed commission-only payout system (or the new payout system) would eliminate the minimum and payout 30% for shows under $300 and 40% for shows over that.

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The chart above shows the two payout systems in one place. Any show grossing at least $375 guarantees a model the minimum. Furthermore, models who consistently work hard to gross over $375 are rewarded with a pay raise.

Example 2:
Under the new payout system, a show grossing $100 earns a model $30 whereas a show grossing $500 earns a model $200.

The new system was meant to reward models whose shows consistently do well. Even at a $30 payout, this is still above the CA minimum wage of $8 per hour for a three hour show.

This is where my first issue towards this tumblr post begins; at the beginning of her post. She uses a very harsh phrase to describe the pay changes.

“This past month a severe pay cut was given to the women who work at KinkLive.com. They needed to save money and they did it by taking it from the models.” (Emphasis added.)

This is not a “severe pay cut” but rather a way to reward top earners. Why would she chose to use such a severe phrase to describe proposed changes that are actually going to be beneficial to several models? The only thing I can speculate is that she wanted to elicit emotion within the local BDSM and sex-worker community. I mean, what better way to get others to subscribe to your cause than elicit emotions* of injustice towards the underdog by a big corporate entity?

*(I don’t want to inspire these emotions but I doubt I will be able to continue my post without it. At the very least I’ll offer a warning, disclaimer of sorts, to my readers: my post may enrage you, patronize you, and offend but at least I owning up to the emotions my post will elicit.)

What we do as cam model is essentially sales. We sell ourselves as a product. Everything we do in our cam shows is meant to entice customers to purchase our product. My degree and expertise is not in business but I can still understand a basic fact about any sales environment: Salespersons that don’t produce can’t expect to be compensated at the same level as salespersons that do!

Financial Security of Kink Live Models

“Now we are left with dozens of women who have had their monthly income severely or completely cut without any notice. Honesty and integrity about this issue could have prepared us to make financial changes in advance of the new policies.”

It is not Kink Live’s responsibility to plan for the fiscal security of each model. In any profession, pay cuts or even being fired, is in the hands of higher-ups at the company and not the employees. The best way for any employee (salaried, hourly, or contract) to protect themselves is to plan for their own financial security. This includes planning a budget that allows you to save for a rainy day.

NO company gives their employees notice when they are let go (if I am wrong, please let me know). Having been previously employed within a Human Resources department of a major bank, I saw employees leaving in tears on Friday afternoons after being let go. Their stories were all the same and none of them claimed to have expected to be fired. They were all worried about how they would continue to pay their bills and go on.

If any Kink Live model decided NOT to build a nest egg, that is not due to any fault of Kink Live. With a nest egg, any person faced with a major setback to their income could make their “financial changes” with much less stress.

Models, please stop blaming Kink Live (or Kink.com for that matter) for not giving you enough notice to reevaluate your own financial decisions!

A Living Wage

“Under the new payment system many models will no longer be able to earn a living wage working for KinkLive”

Let’s all refer back to Example 1 from earlier in my writing. A model with a show grossing $100 is paid the same amount as a model with a show grossing $500. Paying the lower-grossing model the $150 minimum nets Kink Live a $50 loss. Paying the higher grossing model the $150 minimum nets Kink Live a $350 profit. (This example, of course, ignores the overhead and operating expenses Kink Live must meet.)

What is being argued by the opposition to the new payout system is that models with higher grossing shows should subsidize the “living wage” for models who cost KinkLive money.

Yes if a model costs KinkLive money, other models will pay her salary under the old system. This is incredibly unfair to the models who constantly work to improve their product and not a financially sound strategy for any company.

Other Competitive Cam Sites

“The changes occurring in the KinkLive department include withdrawing our flat rate and instilling a commission-only earning system, which makes our pay-out percentage rate much lower than other competitive cam sites.”

All other cam sites pay models on a commission only system. The only cam site I have found that pays otherwise is Live Cam Network and their hourly pay is $13.50 for public chat. This hourly wage isn’t even offered to every model that cams through their site. (I doubt this is public knowledge since I learned of this in their models-only forum.)

Along with all other cam sites paying models on a commission-only system, when a model chooses to work from home she must provide all of her own equipment. Below I’ve included a table with requirements for at-home cam shows in no particular order.

Item Importance Notes
High speed Internet Required – monthly cost A model can have a slower connection but she will not make money. Low-quality streaming will deter customers.
Computer Required Without a computer, it is impossible to be an internet web chat model. If someone has figured out how to do this for a living without a computer, I will buy you dinner!
Web Cam Required HD cams deliver a higher quality picture to potential customers. Yes a model can use an SD cam and perform. The higher quality image is meant to entice customers. A camera that can pan and zoom makes for an even better show because a model can adjust camera angles to give customers a more enticing product.
Electricity Required – monthly cost How is anyone going to run a computer, let alone a web cam without this?
Props Necessary but not required. These include things like sex toys, costumes, make up, etc. Any model can perform without these props but are much less likely to earn a viable income. A model without makeup, properly attired, and no toys will likely not entice customers.
Cleaning supplies Necessary but not required. These include supplies to clean sex toys with and even home cleaning supplies. Any adult who has had sex will agree that sexual intercourse can be very messy. Simply using a lubricant adds to the possibility that your sheets, carpet, towels, etc will need to be washed. A model can choose not to wash these items (but who really squirts on their towels and doesn’t wash them?).
Hygienic supplies Necessary but not required. Toothbrushes, toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner, razors, etc are all necessary to present a cleanly appearance. If a model is doing anal on her cam show, she will entice more customers. Scat is not allowed on any cam sites (if I am wrong, please correct me). So if a model wants to perform anally, she needs enemas to ensure her rectum is scat free.
Lighting Necessary but not required. Again, this is like the props. A model can perform without proper lighting but a dim chat room in which the model is barely visible will not attract customers.
Staff Not necessary but very convenient. Having a staff to set up lighting, decorate sets, clean sex toys, and even help you move your computer to the bathroom when you are covered in Nutella (yes I needed help with that at home) really make performing a lot easier. (My husband often acts as staff for me when I work from home.)
Private space Required – monthly cost This is like a computer being required (though if you do this from a shared room with roommates, more power to you, but I’m not buying you dinner). I imagine somewhere, some model has hosted a live sex show on web chat with other people around. Yes this is possible but a deterrent to models who require privacy.
Decorative items Not necessary but very convenient. Decorative pillows, nice sheets, aesthetically pleasing wall paint, etc all help draw customers to a models cam show.

Kink Live provides all of this and even a green room where a model can find bagels, cereal, juices, and snacks. They also have a full wardrobe department with an incredibly friendly staff that will provide models costumes for shows (so long as they are not too busy and a model gives some notice). If a model forgets makeup, there is makeup that models can use already at the armory.

Did I mention that Kink Live also provides staff to clean up puddles of squirt, used dildos, and bring us any additional props we might need?

A model must invest a significant amount of her time and her own income to set this sort of show up at home. On top of that, models that work from home will be paid on a commission-only basis. Yes, at-home cam models must invest their own money before they can even think to turn a profit. Kink Live models don’t have to invest a dime (beyond makeup and outfits) to start earning money.

There is another issue affecting models who work from home. Depending on the traffic of the site, there are times when at-home cam models can make less than the California State Minimum wage. (I have had several unsuccessful at-home cam shows before which has deterred me from setting up a consistent at-home cam show schedule. I only cam from home when a client has emailed me in advance and booked a private session. I receive these requests about monthly and in those situations, I can earn more than I make at KinkLive from home. Again, these earnings are few-and-far-between commission-only gigs.)

I challenge any model that opposes the new commission-only payout structure to cam from home exactly the same hours they would have at KinkLive, and still make $50 per hour (on a consistent, long-term, weekly basis) with only investing in clothing and makeup!

Unclear Guidelines for Public Chat
There have also been complaints that public chat rules were not being clearly communicated to models.

“Another new development at KL is the restructuring of the rules for public chat to allow more explicit acts in the free chatroom. These new guidelines originally were not laid out for the models, or even mentioned by the staff to the group as a whole with any clarity.”

On April 5th there was a Kink Live model meeting to discuss technical feature rollouts for the following month. At that meeting we were asked what we all thought of the recently rolled out tipping system. Rain DeGrey mentioned a successful strategy of hers including telling members that she could do anything in public chat as long as she was tipped a single kink. From this, I was able to infer (and I imagine other models were able to as well) that the public chat rules could be bent if a models show was profitable. I decided then to allow for more explicit acts in my own chat room. Of course, I wanted to make sure I did not break any rules, so I decided to double check and ensure that I had not misunderstood our model meeting.

Later that week, I emailed Sheila Gunn with an idea for a public chat game. I received approval and posted a thread on the Kink Live forums entitled, “Public Nudity, Geeky Gamer Style.” I later reposted my game with new rules (from member suggestions) as a thread entitled “Everybody Wins d30 game.” My rules were publicly posted. Any time I could have been told to stop my game (and I would have). Any other model could have emailed any of the staff at Kink Live at ANY time with similar public chat rule requests. They could have also asked the public chat rules to be clarified at ANY time rather than relying on rumors to dictate their shows.

I consider myself a professional web cam model. As such, I make sure I have approval from any necessary individuals before introducing anything that might violate a cam sites policies, ESPECIALLY if I feel any policies have not been made completely clear. I also constantly email staff to ask to clarify any rules or misunderstandings rather than relying on rumors (I often feel silly with the amount of emails like this I send). This is part of being a professional in any industry.

“Some models were only informed through other models with no information coming from staff at all.”

Again, all any model had to do was email Kink Live staff and receive clarification. This is what professionals do in the work force all the time.

“Various models were given contradictory information regarding the new payments…”

If this is the case, had these models asked via email for clarification, and received contradictory information, they would be able to prove that at the very least, the Kink Live staff misunderstood the new policies. (Simply receiving contradictory information does not imply malicious intent. Misunderstandings happen all the time.)

Misunderstandings and rumors abound in every industry. Part of being a professional is not adding to the rumor mill by verifying information, preferably in writing (like email), from management.

Early on in my adult life (well before I had even started college) I learned how to be a professional the hard way by being let go from contract positions. In my mind I thought it was not my fault. I convinced myself that the performance expectations were not made clear. Eventually I learned that it is my responsibility to understand my job duties and expectations. Since I have taken responsibility for knowing my job duties and the rules in which I must perform them, I have NOT been let go from any position!

If you had to learn these lessons like I did, the hard way, at Kink Live, I am very sorry. These life lessons can be difficult. In fact, they fucking suck sometimes! It is not the fault of Kink Live that you learned these lessons during your time performing at the armory.

Performer Expectations

“…we are expected to do so much more with our bodies than models on other sites: bondage, electricity, implements, fucking machines, pain endurance, humiliate, domination, etc.”

No Kink Live model is required to perform any of the above acts. I repeat, no Kink Live model is required to perform any of the above acts. The BDSM community has a popular phrase that goes something like, “safe, sane and consensual.” It is the third point I want to focus on. Any model that does something she is uncomfortable in public chat is doing so without being forced. There is no one standing in any of the Kink Live sets insisting models perform non-consensual acts on camera.

I CONSTANTLY SAY NO when members make requests I am not comfortable with or could jeopardize my safety. I have had members request that I make myself vomit, rip nipple clamps off of my nipples and labia until they are bloody, stick sharp objects in my rectum, eat feces, drink urine, electrocute myself, choke myself until unconsciousness, and so on.

If a model feels she needs to do anything outside of her limits and comfort zone to generate revenue she is mistaken!

Members will respect your limits as much as you respect your own limits. A model can always say no. I often try and redirect a request politely without saying no.

Example 3:
Member: “Stick a dildo in your ass.”
Me: “I’m sorry but my butt hole is really tight and inexperienced. Would you prefer to help me learn to stretch it with a small butt plug?”

Yes I have had that conversation on Kink Live before (lol – the stories I could tell). Some members agree and the show moves on. If they continue to push me, the conversation can continue something like this:

Member: “No! Stick that in your ass!!”
Me (In the cutest, sweetest, voice I can muster with a HUGE smile on my face): “I’m sorry I can’t do that. Maybe I’m not the cam model for you? I’m certain another model would love to meet your needs!”

Hopefully there, the member will compromise or move on. If they become belligerent, I say no explicitly (and drop my sweet voice) and if they continue to push me, I do inform the Kink Live staff.

My shows still generate revenue even with me CONSTANTLY insisting my limits be respected. Models who believe their shows will only generate revenue if they are harming themselves, or performing acts beyond their own limits, need to reevaluate their career choices.

To all cam girls out there (and to all human beings in general) I urge you to really take to heart what I write next: Other people give you as much respect as you demand. If you can’t respect your own hard limits, no one else will! Learn to say no.

I figured this out long before I became a sex worker. If a model has not figured that out, it is not the fault of Kink Live.

Call Times
It has been argued that the fact that Kink Live asks models to arrive an hour before their show is reason to have these models be classified as employees and not independent contractors. I do not understand the legality of this but if a legal precedent has been set to uphold this, that can be the only wrong Kink Live has done.

To anyone outside of Kink Live, let me tell you what shows were like before this call time was enacted (maybe then everyone can understand some of the reasoning behind enacting call times).

Often I would arrive at the armory, before the start of my show, having come directly from class. The latest I arrived before call times, was about 5 minutes before my call time show-start time, and that is only because I was delayed on campus. My commute on BART from Downtown Berkeley to 16th Street is about an hour, including wait times for a BART train. I was able to make it early to most of my shows only to be often told my show was being delayed. Many models were tardy to their shows and this created a bit of a tardy domino effect. Every show after theirs would be delayed, at no fault to whichever model was on next.

Being delayed due to other women’s lack of punctuality was incredibly frustrating. When the call time was enacted I was simultaneously relieved and frustrated. I knew it would ensure my shows would not be delayed but I also knew I was being, in essence, punished for the tardiness of other models. There are times when an hour is more time than is needed to prepare for a cam show. Those days, I am most frustrated at the models who made that rule necessary. Now this call time is gone, there is bound to be a time where a show of mine is delayed through no fault of my own.

I am saddened that the models opposing the payout structure are nit-picking at rules like these so their causes can hold water.

Conclusion
I am incredibly sympathetic towards the models who feel they have been hurt by performing at Kink Live, however, I do not feel that your emotions towards this issue merit all the protests and definitely do not merit a lawsuit.

Furthermore, I feel the models in opposition to the pay changes, have crossed a line by insisting their cause speaks for ALL Kink Live models. No where the tumblr post referennced nor in the letter sent to Kink executives, did was the possibility left open that some models may not agree with this cause and might actually be embracing these pay changes!

Your cause does not speak for all of us models at Kink Live. Please stop putting words in my mouth and in the mouths of other models who do not agree with your protest.

If Kink Live is forced to close every Kink Live performer and employee will be negatively affected. All of us will lose a major source of our income (not just the lowest performing models).

Please remember that this Kink Live hatred has very real consequences for everyone involved.

- Audrey Rose

P.S.
This is now the second time I have defended Kink.com publically. First I defended Kink.com in general against an attack by people outside of the BDSM and porn community. Now I am defending it against those within those communities. I understand some might start attacking me directly, personally, for consistently defending this company. Go right ahead!

I am incredibly grateful for the exposure this company has provided me within the adult entertainment industry. If it were not for Kink.com, I would never have even started on my current career path (and might I add, my new career makes me very happy).

Defending a company that has provided me with so much does not seem like a burdon at all. (Though I am worried about the prospect of being ostracized by the local kink and indie porn community. ¡Nimodo!)

Thank you Kink.com for giving an unknown girl with discheveled pink hair (and an obsession with puzzles) a chance!

19 Comments

  1. bygeorge

     /  June 13, 2012

    An incredibly well articulated argument! Detailed but to the point. You show leadership in your frank and steadfast opinion.

    • Thank you. I hope it shows that I am against any Kink Live policy that makes one model subsidize another models pay.

  2. sumdumguy

     /  June 13, 2012

    I agree with everything you have just said several times over. If people have exception to the rules and regulations imposed by the management they are free to find another job. Such protests are pointless and only serve to waste time and money, as no protest that does not directly affect a companies bottom or affect the community as a whole is ever effective, and often is not even acknowledged. That being said, I did enjoy my time with my selection of ladies of which you were one, and I would gladly come back if I felt I would be welcome, because cam hosting, is in my opinion one of the hardest jobs in the industry because you are opening yourself directly to public criticisms. Few ladies have the mental strength for such things and I know of at least one lady formerly of l

    • Absolutely! Anyone here is free to leave and find another job. If they can get paid better, elsewhere, great! I have left jobs before with very similar goals (my current employer wouldn’t pay me what I was due) and it worked out splendidly! I hope the the models most hurt by this payout system can find a lucrative line of work elsewhere.

  3. sumdumguy

     /  June 13, 2012

    I hate when i get a phone call in the middle of typing something on my cell phone, so to continue what I was saying, I know of at least one lady formerly of livecamnetwork who’s psyche was damaged because of the comments people would make. Cam hostesses of any site should be honoured and lauded for what they do. And this is something I have attempted to do on a number of occasions. That being said, it is a business and if someone has a problem with the pay structure they are free to find employment elsewhere, because if they are complaining about being on a commission basis and not being carried by ladies with a higher turn over then it would seem they lack some of the mental fortitude to be part of such a cut throat industry. This then begs the question, is it not time to move on?

  4. @Clay_57

     /  June 15, 2012

    “members make requests I am not comfortable with or could jeopardize my safety. I have had members request that I make myself vomit, rip nipple clamps off of my nipples and labia until they are bloody, stick sharp objects in my rectum, eat feces, drink urine, electrocute myself, choke myself until unconsciousness, ”
    ^This sounds odd and extremely sad that people who actually call themselves “fans” would request that you put yourself in harms way solely for their own pleasure. And it sounds like Kink merely improved the business model to motivate the performers to generate better content and therefore more viewers. Sounds reasonable to me….

    • People request a lot of things from me inside and outside of work. My boundaries are respected because I always make it clear there is no alternative.

  5. Jon

     /  June 15, 2012

    Thank you not only for a solid fact-based analysis of the new pay structure, the realities broader live-cam field, and the overhead incurred by places like Kink to provide the amenities that they make available, but also for a reminder of the realities of working in a professional environment.

    • I think the fact that I have spent eight years working in professional office environments. Working at major state utilities, two different wholesale mortgage lenders, law offices, accounting departments, human resources, and a national research laboratory has taught me a thing or two about how to survive in a professional business environment.

      Without that experience, I see how some models might not understand the subtleties of office politics and not know how to take responsibility for knowing the rules in which they must perform their duties.

  6. mack

     /  June 15, 2012

    I have a few points to make. As you said you could make more money using this new system. I did hear you say before you have made as little as $70 one night. That might be fine for some but when you live in the south bay or santa cruz that is just gas money. So you are saying roll the dice, hope you make enough to cover gas. You have to think of all girls situations not just yours. Also your list of things you need to cam from home made me laugh:

    Item Importance Notes
    High speed Internet Required – monthly cost A model can have a slower connection but she will not make money. Low-quality streaming will deter customers.
    **** I mean really, this is 2012 not 1992, everyone has internet if you cam or not
    .
    Computer Required Without a computer, it is impossible to be an internet web chat model. If someone has figured out how to do this for a living without a computer, I will buy you dinner!

    **** Same comment, really, who doesn’t have a computer. This is no added cost. Its like saying we need oxygen for our shows which kinks gives us. ****

    Web Cam Required HD cams deliver a higher quality picture to potential customers. Yes a model can use an SD cam and perform. The higher quality image is meant to entice customers. A camera that can pan and zoom makes for an even better show because a model can adjust camera angles to give customers a more enticing product.

    **** I have seen plenty of girls with great hd cams for around $100 dollars on ebay. If you cannot afford that you shouldn’t be camming. ****

    Electricity Required – monthly cost How is anyone going to run a computer, let alone a web cam without this?

    **** This is really getting silly, is this really a point. Kink gives you electricty, you would be paying for this regardless so it is not a cost of camming. Unless you live off the grid your whole life and need this just for camming.****

    Props Necessary but not required. These include things like sex toys, costumes, make up, etc. Any model can perform without these props but are much less likely to earn a viable income. A model without makeup, properly attired, and no toys will likely not entice customers.

    *** As a successfull cam girl I know you have all these objects as well as 90% of all other girls. I do not know one girl that comes to kink for their outfits or makeup. And I know many bring their own toys also. Most girls have toy chests of toys and bags of costumes.****

    Cleaning supplies Necessary but not required. These include supplies to clean sex toys with and even home cleaning supplies. Any adult who has had sex will agree that sexual intercourse can be very messy. Simply using a lubricant adds to the possibility that your sheets, carpet, towels, etc will need to be washed. A model can choose not to wash these items (but who really squirts on their towels and doesn’t wash them?).

    *** You have sex at home and other places I would assume and you seem to make it work without all of kinks necessities. You are complaining about washing towels like its so hard to do at home and kink provides this valuable service. Doing the laundry is not a selling point for kink.***

    Hygienic supplies Necessary but not required. Toothbrushes, toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner, razors, etc are all necessary to present a cleanly appearance. If a model is doing anal on her cam show, she will entice more customers. Scat is not allowed on any cam sites (if I am wrong, please correct me). So if a model wants to perform anally, she needs enemas to ensure her rectum is scat free.

    *** This I can understand the enema part but shouldnt you be bringing your own supplies just for safety reasons if anything.***

    ighting Necessary but not required. Again, this is like the props. A model can perform without proper lighting but a dim chat room in which the model is barely visible will not attract customers.

    *They do have good lighting but for a 70% cut I would assume so.***

    Staff Not necessary but very convenient. Having a staff to set up lighting, decorate sets, clean sex toys, and even help you move your computer to the bathroom when you are covered in Nutella (yes I needed help with that at home) really make performing a lot easier. (My husband often acts as staff for me when I work from home.)
    Private space Required – monthly cost This is like a computer being required (though if you do this from a shared room with roommates, more power to you, but I’m not buying you dinner). I imagine somewhere, some model has hosted a live sex show on web chat with other people around. Yes this is possible but a deterrent to models who require privacy.

    Decorative items Not necessary but very convenient. Decorative pillows, nice sheets, aesthetically pleasing wall paint, etc all help draw customers to a mode
    ***Please, pillows and sheets, you dont have those, Bed bath and Beyond is a great place. And if you are a good model your customers will watch you in a dumpster if you are good enough. If you need some fancy pillows for fans, then I just dont know.****

    “I challenge any model that opposes the new commission-only payout structure to cam from home exactly the same hours they would have at KinkLive, and still make $50 per hour (on a consistent, long-term, weekly basis) with only investing in clothing and makeup!”
    There are plenty of jobs you can do this, how about being a waiter, bartender, Bottle Service Girl. So challenge met.

    • Mack,

      Some people do not have high-speed internet (trust me, I was staying with a friend in LA last week that didn’t), computer with web cam etc. And lights do actually use more electricity so although no one is off of the grid, you will still see an increase in your bill.

      The Hygenic supplies (like toothbrushes, etc) are actually all provided for free at the armory. So if a model say spends the night between shows, she doesn’t need to pack any of those because Kink provides them, free of cost!!!!

      Yes it is possible to do this from home and make a LOT of money but it is not easy and it is not cheap.

      xo

  7. JByrd

     /  June 15, 2012

    Wow Mack,
    Obviously you don’t understand the fact that Using these things, having to buy them, or upgrade them, etc. actually costs money!
    You want a higher speed connection to properly run a video stream, you pay extra for it over the basic package.
    You pay extra on your electricity bill each month for having the computer, camera and lights running on overdrive while you’re on cam. Especially the smart model who actually does get decent lighting. Those things aren’t running ALL of the time and yes, bonehead, it does run the meter up when you have them on.
    What happens if your computer dies on you? Are you seriously implying that the purchase of a new system, to maintain your job, isn’t going to cost a model money? Not everyone has the money to invest in a system that is capable of running with enough speed and have a great video card to support a GREAT camera. A netbook just don’t cut it.
    Duh, that purchase of a camera for $100…guess where that money comes from, THE MODEL’s POCKET! Oh wait, maybe you know a camera fairy who just magically tosses that cash into the ebay seller’s account for you.
    I know very few women to purchase thousands of dollars of lingerie for every-day use. As a cam model, it’s part of your job and an extra expense.
    Audrey never implied that she doesn’t clean her house…what she did say is that it EXTRA work and extra cleaning supplies added to her normal household cost to maintain a clean and hygenic space because of the extra mess from doing a cam show.
    I don’t know, maybe you’re a trust-fund baby who’s never actually had to pay their own bills, but for those of us who actually do cam from home…the expenses add up.

    As for your complaint about driving to work…every person who has a job more than walking distance from their home commutes. Whether they choose to drive, take public transit or even ride a bike, it doesn’t matter what industry you’re in, you get yourself to work. Guess what, as an at-home cam model, you can forego that cost by working from home but you still go out shopping for clothes, toys, equipment, etc.

    Some of your ridiculous comments made me laugh at your naiveté. Either you have never had to put the money into your own home setup or you really just have no understanding of what was being laid out. Being a self-employed person takes work. Doing it all on your own, takes money. Go online to a cam site sometime and speak to the models there. Ask them if their site provides anything besides a login or if they have to provide all of their stuff themselves. Better yet, take Audrey up on her challenge to work the same 3hour shifts that a KinkLive cam model works, from home and prove that you can make the same money ON A CONSISTENT WEEKLY BASIS. I Dare You!

  8. Coral Aorta

     /  June 19, 2012

    Hi Audrey, you asked that I direct my thoughts on your blog post here.

    I’m very sorry to hear that you felt you might be ostracized for speaking about your opinion on this issue. As one of the models who has been working with Maxine Holloway since the start of the policy changes, I hoped to hear the views of all cam girls involved. Maxine has kept me updated on responses she’s received from models; it seems that those who were not in favor of the new policy responded to her (around 30 models) while those who supported it/were nervous to speak/didn’t care/etc. did not respond. I wondered if there were models who would be upset at us for our actions, but had not heard from anyone. If you felt that you would be met with antagonism for responding with your views, I am truly sorry. Maxine’s original emails were trying to get a reading on how other models felt about the changes; yes, she was speaking from the opposing side, but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t open to hearing all voices on the issue.

    Which is to say: I respect your view, and I’m glad you have built a sustainable following at KinkLive that allows you to profit from the policy changes. As you say, the new policies are “…proposed changes that are actually going to be beneficial to several models”. However, many other models at KinkLive will be suffering a pay loss without a minimum, and I am trying to consider what is best for everyone.

    You say “Math does not lie!”. True, but you left out an important fact in this post: for the month of June, KinkLive models were paid $150 minimum for their shows or 40% of the show total, whichever was greater. This is a short-term offer but is more profitable for models than what was in place before. It combines the old base pay with the new commission system, rewarding high-earning models while still insuring that everyone is paid their due. When you mentioned “the old payout system (that is still currently in place due to the vocal complaints of a few models)” you failed to say that the June payout system was only implemented because models like Maxine spoke out about the unfairness of the new system.

    It was just announced that KinkLive’s newest payment plan is to offer 40% commission up to $1500 in show earnings (at which point it jumps to 50%). This sounds better for models who have slow days–don’t we all?–and bring in under $375 during their show, which is how much would have been required to earn the former minimum under the first proposed commission system. Again, this would not have been considered if models had not spoken up.

    About the unclear guidelines for public chat and emailing for clarification: I was at the April 5th meeting and was not “able to infer” that our rules for free chat were flexible. I had no idea that anything had changed until I overheard a model in her room talking about performing explicit acts in free chat. I did email for clarification, and was met with what I can only call condescension (which was shocking as it came from someone who I respect and like personally). I wrote again, saying that all I wanted to know was what the new free chat rules were. It was only then that I was told that the “rules” had been changed to “guidelines”. I found it upsetting and confusing that this change had not been announced to all models as soon as the decision was made and that models found out one by one, just like the payout change.

    I do not hate KinkLive. I do not hate Kink. I was at the Armory today shooting a super hot scene and I very much want to continue to shoot for Kink and cam for KinkLive. What I want is for this corporation to treat its employees–which it certainly seems that we as KinkLive models have been treated as–with dignity and respect. I want transparency, communication, honesty and fair pay. KinkLive provides higher quality live cam content than any other site I’ve seen. I want to work for them and I want to be compensated fairly for it. Even if my show grosses hardly anything on a certain day, I am still acting as live advertising for Kink.com; isn’t that worth more than a regular cam show?

    I believe it is possible to find a compromise that benefits both the KinkLive models and the company: a lower base pay with a higher commission, perhaps. I have no intention of trying to shut down KinkLive or harm the company. I simply want power of negotiation and fair treatment.

    I haven’t even touched on the way in which Maxine Holloway was let go, and I’m not going to, as I’ve gone on too long already.

    I would like to encourage everyone to read Maggie Mayhem’s blog post about the differences between an independent contractor and a de facto employee to better understand the issue that Maxine, Wendy, Siren, and I (as well as other unnamed models) have with the way KinkLive handled the policy changes: http://missmaggiemayhem.com/2012/06/18/support-kink-live-models-pt-ii/

    Audrey, I hope this doesn’t come off as aggressive. Again, thank you for posting your thoughts, and I would like to have a dialogue with any and every model involved.

    • “When you mentioned ‘the old payout system (that is still currently in place due to the vocal complaints of a few models)’ you failed to say that the June payout system was only implemented because models like Maxine spoke out about the unfairness of the new system.”

      Thanks for the update! I was out of town last week entirely and out of communication most of the time. I posted the information I had up through before I left for Los Angeles.

      So this is a moot point you are trying to argue. I wasn’t posting any false information and trying to lie here. I was out of town, hadn’t received a schedule yet from Kink Live and I did not know about the new, third payout system, that was just proposed.

      Thank you for filling us all in on this info sweetie!

      xo

    • “However, many other models at KinkLive will be suffering a pay loss without a minimum, and I am trying to consider what is best for everyone.”
      - This is a sales environment darling. I do not want to subsidize salaries for other models. IF a model can’t earn a living, commission-only here, she needs to move on and find another job.

      “About the unclear guidelines for public chat and emailing for clarification: I was at the April 5th meeting and was not “able to infer” that our rules for free chat were flexible. ”
      - Rain DeGray mentioned, out loud, that she was performing explicitly in public chat for just a single kink. The management of Kink Live was not upset. In fact, they lauded her for her creative, successful strategy. If you were not able to make the connection, that is not Kinks fault.

      “I do not hate KinkLive.”
      - Great!

      “Even if my show grosses hardly anything on a certain day, I am still acting as live advertising for Kink.com; isn’t that worth more than a regular cam show?”
      - Again, this is sales. The main purpose of Kink Live is to generate revenue through cam shows, not to advertise other sites. If you want to get paid to advertise for Kink Live, sign up for an affiliate account and post adds on your website.

      • Coral Aorta

         /  July 3, 2012

        “This is a sales environment darling. I do not want to subsidize salaries for other models. IF a model can’t earn a living, commission-only here, she needs to move on and find another job.”

        I’ve been told there are around 80-90 KinkLive models. Those of us in the Top 20 are the girls who bring in the most kinks (as well as those with the most “professional” attitudes and work ethics, but this ranking is mostly based on revenue).

        I was placed in the Top 20 for the month of June, #15 rank. Using the current 40% commission structure to calculate earnings, in June (at the time that the newsletter with Top 20 was released) I had one fairly high-earning show, one that brought in a little above the old minimum, and three that were below the old minimum– one drastically below.

        I’m not sure exactly how Top 20 models are picked/calculated– if I was put in there for something other than earnings. But this makes me think that if I, as a “top-earning model”, am not making the old minimum in the majority of my shows, then what are the other 60-70 models getting?

        I understand that camming is usually luck-of-the-draw and sweat-and-tears time spent building your image. What I don’t understand is how my numbers, which seem ‘average’ to me at best, landed me in the Top 20. It’s worrisome to think that so many other models might be working for diddlysquat. They put in hard work too; sometimes, the customers just aren’t there.

        I’m not saying we need all models to get $150 minimum every show. But we need SOME sort of minimum to guarantee that models will continue to feel VALUED and come back at all.

        I come from a punk-house feminist-collective type of mindset. This is just how I think; all for one and one for all. I understand if that’s not the way you see things, Audrey, and that’s fine– competition is healthy too. I just hope that you can understand my viewpoint.

    • And this is why I thought I would be ostracized. The original letter sent out by Maxine included the following:

      “Subject: New Pay Outs at KinkLive- WTF”
      - Unless I’m mistaken, WTF stands for What the Fuck. My first reaction to seeing WTF in the subject line is, this woman is angry about these changes. I am not.

      ” For a company that has such a ‘Model’s First’ policy- I think this is pretty fucked. ”
      - Again, the word “fuck.” She described this pay change as “fucked” when I saw this sort of pay structure (for a sales environment) as a sound business decision.

      Clearly, as someone who did not react to these changes with “WTF” or “this is pretty fucked,” I felt pushing my point of view at this meeting would have made me the enemy.

  9. Phillip Lewis

     /  September 25, 2012

    I’ve always wanted to work for Kink.com and personally admire what they do. They’ve taken adult entertainment to the next level especially with Ultimate Surrender. Tell me, is it fun working at Kink?

    • It can be a lot of fun. There are a lot of great people there that make Kink an amazing work environment. Of course, like every company, there are some that detract from the ambiance but they are in the minority.

      I feel incredibly lucky that I have been able to learn about myself so intimately, in such a safe environment. How many newbie kinksters can say that? I may not shoot there any more but I am eternally grateful for the experiences I’ve had and memories I’ve made.